Topic: Involved people vs. Performer

Hi,

I was just tagging this album : http://musicbrainz.org/release/d6af7c23 … a1e18b289f
And I realized that the performing artists were tagged to "INVOLVEDPEOPLE" under the form role/instrument:name;...;...
instead of the usual "PERFORMER" (as with http://musicbrainz.org/release/546f795d … 4ef8d57c6b for example) and "Name (role/instrument)"

Is there a setting somewhere that I've missed ?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Which tool did you use for tagging (Picard?) and which file and tag formats do you use (e.g. MP3, ID3v2.3)?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Ah, yes, sorry for the information missing ^^

So I do use Picard for tagging and for the example above the second album is in flac whereas the first one is in mp3 (ID3v2.3)
I have two other albums (that I saw) that have this "problem" and both are in mp3. But I also have other mp3 album where it wasn't the case.

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Might it be that that other mp3 album was saved with 2.4?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

I don't think so but how can I check it ?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Most player apps should be able to tell you. Or use mp3tag, or foobar2000. What are you using to tell that it's in INVOLVEDPEOPLE vs. PERFORMER anyway? Are you sure it is performer roles that you are seeing in INVOLVEDPEOPLE?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

I saw it in mp3tag, in the tag panel ;)
After verifications, I'm beginning to think that the infos goes to INVOLVEDPEOPLE when non-artists peoples are present (producers, engineers, ...) and to PERFORMER when only the performers are present.

I'm not sure but the few album I've checked are compatible with that theory.

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Producers and engineers should be credited as INVOLVEDPEOPLE, yes, however this should not affect performers also on the release. Are you saying it is? With which example release?

Ref http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Picard_Tag_Mapping

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Yes it does. And, I think, on all of my newly tagged albums that have producer/... ARs

For example :
http://musicbrainz.org/release/d6af7c23 … a1e18b289f
http://musicbrainz.org/release/53041f68 … bd53f19f4f
http://musicbrainz.org/release/5abacbb8 … 582d286fcb

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

I think there is a little confusion here. FLAC and MP3 files use different tagging structure and you will see them differently in mp3tag.

For example, the producer credit is saved to the PRODUCER tag in FLAC, but to the TIPL (displayed as INVOLVEDPEOPLE in mp3tag) frame in MP3 files. Musician credits are also saved differently, in FLAC you will see the PERFOMER tag with the name and the instrument in parentheses, while in MP3 you will see them in the TMCL frame (displayed as MUSICIANCREDITS in mp3tag) if you are using ID3v2.4 or TIPL (INVOLVEDPEOPLE) if you are using ID3v2.3 which doesn't support TMCL, so it gets converted to TIPL.

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

Aaah, ok, thanks a lot :)

And is there any way to unify the tags presentation so that foobar don't show me "piano:X" when it's a mp3 played and "X (piano)" when it's a flac ?

Re: Involved people vs. Performer

luks: ahh okay. Thanks for updating the tag mapping; I wasn't aware of this and didn't check the code :)