Topic: Multiple barcodes?

I have several releases with two barcodes, which led me to wonder what others think about this and if it's possible to modify the barcode entry field so additional codes can be added. For now I'm just putting them in the additional notes field.

Apologies if this has been addressed before.

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Re: Multiple barcodes?

why not duplicate the same release with different barcode?

Re: Multiple barcodes?

Can you give an example of such a release?

I have only ever seen this where a label has been lazy and re-packaged two+ individual releases as a box set... and left the barcodes printed on the individual releases in addition to a code for the box set (or similar situation for a bonus disc release). In such a case, it makes more sense to completely ignore the barcodes from the individual releases when adding the box set.

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Agreed about the boxsets, although I'd put the disc barcodes on the annotation rather than ignore them ;)

Re: Multiple barcodes?

A couple examples:
http://musicbrainz.org/release/bf9b8afb … 04ac80518c (Edge of Sanity - Kur-Nu-Gi-A)
This has both a UPC and EAN on the back cover. A lot of other Black Mark releases include both codes.

http://musicbrainz.org/release/d15cefe4 … 08547eb57d (V/A - The Rough Guide to Psychedelic Africa)
UPC and ISBN.

Re: Multiple barcodes?

voiceinsideyou wrote:

Can you give an example of such a release?

Example of second barcode added for later re-issue in the US (maybe clearing out old stock?)
Example of second barcode added for roughly concurrent release in the US.[/url]

In each case I treated them as two "releases" even thought the media are physically identical. I tend to think of a distinct barcode as being a defining characteristic of a "release". I know there are cases where two (or more) physically distinct media share the same barcode, but haven't figured out how to fit that fact into my tiny worldview.

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Neither of those two examples are valid examples of what it sounds like PhantomOTO is talking about - two different barcodes on the same physical media/packaging/item.

The first is a re-release. It has a different release date.
The second is a release in a different country.

This is /exactly/ what the NGS schema is suppose to deal with and already handles and these are, by definition, different releases in NGS. It looks to me like you're still thinking of releases in the old pre-NGS way. NGS isn't much different - the recordings and tracklists can still be shared.

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As for PhantomOTO's examples, my guess is that for the Black Mark one they could have just been "lazy" and left the US UPC on the release for both locations; when in fact they are really releases for different countries. One could also look at it being economical :D

For the Psychedelic Africa example - well, an ISBN is an ISBN, I guess that one's a valid example.

The wider problem is that if we kept modifying every single part of a release so you can have "multiple" of everything we end up an even vaguer definition of what a release is; and an extremely complicated Release <-> many barcodes <-> many countries  <-> many catalog/labels combinations <-> many dates. It starts to get ridiculous IMO, and what you actually end up with was the release event mess we had pre-NGS; which IMO was a lot worse.

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I thought only books or audio books gets the ISBN. Weird. Can that be given to the liner notes? or maybe they also release it with a book?
or is it not a real ISBN but only EAN?

10 (edited by PhantomOTO 2012-04-16 23:12:57)

Re: Multiple barcodes?

I'm not sure what Black Mark's deal is. They're the only label I know of that frequently includes two different bar codes on one physical release. On a few albums I have, they even note that the EAN is for the European market and the UPC is for the U.S. I assume it's a cost saving measure from when they were doing their own distribution in America. In the early '90s they sometimes had small quantities pressed by an North American distributor, which were virtually identical to the European releases (including the same barcode) except for the addition of a logo and "Made in Canada" note. Towards the mid '90s you see two barcodes on most releases, which continues today (though I do have a couple more recent reissues of theirs with just one barcode). It's goofy.

Psychedelic Africa's second barcode is definitely an ISBN. It's explicitly identified as such. It didn't come with a book, so I assume it's for the liner notes.

I think allowing for multiple barcodes (and clearly explaining when it's appropriate to add them, i.e. not for barcode stickers applied over printed barcodes, not just a reprint with a new barcode, but only if there are multiple barcodes printed directly on one physical release) would actually clear up releases because it would enable the merging of legacy releases for which both barcodes were added, producing two NGS releases for one physical release. See this example, which is one physical release duplicated because of multiple barcodes thanks to Black Mark's weirdness: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/89 … 2025f3123a

I think it would make things look cleaner overall and help limit future duplications.

Re: Multiple barcodes?

Occasionally companies will put ISBN's on non-book items that are meant to sold in a bookstore.  It makes inventory easier.

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Re: Multiple barcodes?

PhantomOTO wrote:

I think allowing for multiple barcodes (and clearly explaining when it's appropriate to add them, i.e. not for barcode stickers applied over printed barcodes, not just a reprint with a new barcode, but only if there are multiple barcodes printed directly on one physical release) would actually clear up releases because it would enable the merging of legacy releases for which both barcodes were added, producing two NGS releases for one physical release. See this example, which is one physical release duplicated because of multiple barcodes thanks to Black Mark's weirdness: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/89 … 2025f3123a

I guess this is where I differ in conclusion. :) I feel that this particular case is probably obscure enough to deal with a /small/ amount of "duplicates" for sake of keeping the release editor simpler. But that's me.

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Re: Multiple barcodes?

voiceinsideyou wrote:

Neither of those two examples are valid examples of what it sounds like PhantomOTO is talking about

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I own those discs, and each has two barcodes on one physical package (although in each case the second barcode was a sticker covering the original). If that's not relevant, well, I've been known to be confused.

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PhantomOTO wrote:

On a few albums I have, they even note that the EAN is for the European market and the UPC is for the U.S. I assume it's a cost saving measure from when they were doing their own distribution in America.
... [snip]...
I think allowing for multiple barcodes (and clearly explaining when it's appropriate to add them, i.e. not for barcode stickers applied over printed barcodes, not just a reprint with a new barcode, but only if there are multiple barcodes printed directly on one physical release)

I'm still missing the distinction between a sticker added by the distributor and a second barcode added for distribution purposes. In both cases, aren't they simply "cost saving measures"?

Re: Multiple barcodes?

Well, yes, they're both cost saving measures, but that wasn't meant to distinguish Black Mark's practices from barcode stickers.

A barcode sticker to me seems like a replacement/substitution for the printed barcode (and they're usually applied over the original), something that invalidates the original and, in my estimation, would constitute a valid separate release. I think using the multiple barcodes option for sticker codes would cause confusion between original and regional releases. I know personally I've removed or lost plenty of barcode stickers, as well. You can't lose a printed second barcode without losing a portion of the package.

Then there are chains like FYE, which prints in-house barcodes for used (and maybe new?) merchandise, but I think those are irrelevant to this discussion.

Re: Multiple barcodes?

Hi!

I revive this because I have the same problem. In an Iron Maiden release, I have one barcode printed in the back cover, and a different barcode printed in the booklet.

One of those barcodes is already attached to one release in the database. From the discussion I wasn't able to decide what to do, so I'm asking again.

Thanks for any comment.

Re: Multiple barcodes?

My opinion is to use the one closest to the outside, being that is the one being scanned by the scanners when you purchase it.

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Re: Multiple barcodes?

In some cases, Japanese bands also has got two barcodes for their release, most of them are independed labels with a seperate barcode from their distributor. The original barcode is printed on the OBI-strip or back cover. And the second barcode is a sticker from the distributor company.

I would prefer to list the original barcode (not the sticker from the distributor company catalogue)