Topic: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

Hello,

what are the guideline for take information from Wikipedia. For Example inf Wikipedia is a full list of episodes of "Fünf Freunde". The MusicBrainz List is incomplete. Is it allowed to take this Information and crate a new release group? As far I understand the metadata is Public Domain and the Wikipedia is mainly CC-BY-SA, but the title names are some kind of facts. Is there any kind of guideline for take Information from Wikipedia and fan pages?

Re: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

There's nothing wrong with adding releases based on Wikipedia data, except for the fact that much of it is generally low quality by MB standards - and most editors/voters would discourage you from doing so. If you can't at least add a full tracklist with titles, times and release date/country information, your metadata probably isn't complete enough; and better to wait until a better source is found or someone who actually owns the release adds it.

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Thanks,

Also is quality before quantity for MsuicBrainz.

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You should take info from your own releases, from official websites and/or scans instead.

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Re: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

What do you mean by scan?

If I have mp3s on my hard drive ripped by a other person and or other Program I could upload this information?

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By scans he means actual scans of the album covers. Not all of us are so strict, but yeah, if you don't have the stuff you're adding or a trustable second-hand source for it, try to always provide several sources that agree with you. That doesn't make something sure, but it at least makes it more likely to be correct.

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Yeah, Wikipedia isn't /always/ bad by any means - but I'd try and double check the listing with other sources. They tend to skate over the specifics with regard to which release dates apply to which country; which tracklisting is for country X vs Y; that type of thing. Agreed with reosarevok; jesus2099 is the only editor I know that appears to insist on scans/own releases/official websites - other sources can be okay too - e.g. Discogs, even AMG at times.

You have to make a judgment call about each source depending on what you're doing. If you cleaning up an existing terrible/messy/unreliable/unsourced release sometimes choosing a dodgier data source might be OK - if it leads to better information than is currently in the DB. When adding new stuff, if the release is older, or from a more obscure/less 'online' genre, you will often have to choice but to use somewhat less authoritative sources. Making these calls is one of the artforms of MB and online data sourcing :D

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voiceinsideyou wrote:

Yeah, Wikipedia isn't /always/ bad by any means - but I'd try and double check the listing with other sources. They tend to skate over the specifics with regard to which release dates apply to which country; which tracklisting is for country X vs Y; that type of thing. Agreed with reosarevok; jesus2099 is the only editor I know that appears to insist on scans/own releases/official websites - other sources can be okay too - e.g. Discogs, even AMG at times.

You have to make a judgment call about each source depending on what you're doing. If you cleaning up an existing terrible/messy/unreliable/unsourced release sometimes choosing a dodgier data source might be OK - if it leads to better information than is currently in the DB. When adding new stuff, if the release is older, or from a more obscure/less 'online' genre, you will often have to choice but to use somewhat less authoritative sources. Making these calls is one of the artforms of MB and online data sourcing :D

True; I've dealt with this a lot, especially with older, pre-Internet releases by obscure artists. The harder the info is to find, generally the worse off you'll be adding the info to MB. I recently considered adding an obscure Japanese maxi single I heard once; information on it is scant (I got it off a now-defunct fan site) and lost all the files it came with, so I held off due to lack of info.

Re: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

Is it a CD ?
Please tell the artist and title to see if I can help if you want.

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Re: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

jesus2099 wrote:

Is it a CD ?
Please tell the artist and title to see if I can help if you want.

The disc title was "守りたいから" by an artist known as ミュウ・ファイブ. I can tell you now you won't be able to find anything on it, especially considering your location.

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Looks like crappy anime stuff, absolutely not my cup of tea, sorry. ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(; ̄◇ ̄)┘

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Re: Take information from Wikipedia and fan pages

Someone561 wrote:

Is it allowed to take this Information and crate a new release group? As far I understand the metadata is Public Domain and the Wikipedia is mainly CC-BY-SA, but the title names are some kind of facts. Is there any kind of guideline for take Information from Wikipedia and fan pages?

I also think that there is a gray (blackish) area here. The Wikipedia community and editors, accept that their inserted information is CC-BY-SA, and when we copy information from wikipedia we put it into a complete public domain, without any restriction, so IMO, the wikipedia user's (who entered that information) rights are now not protected.
But as I said its a rather gray area, because this is not an information that you can rephrase or rewrite in another form. This is the actual meta-data (aka not the data itself, but the data about data).
So, IMO, its not the Musicbrainz doing wrong, but wikipedia is. They should have a separate public (or more compatible) license for meta-data.

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It's factual data anyway, so it's not license-able if I'm not mistaken... (as in, it's on the public domain by default, at least under US laws)

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reosarevok wrote:

It's factual data anyway, so it's not license-able if I'm not mistaken... (as in, it's on the public domain by default, at least under US laws)

I don't know the law part, but this is definitely how I feel and how it should be.

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jesus2099 wrote:

Looks like crappy anime stuff, absolutely not my cup of tea, sorry. ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=ε=┌(; ̄◇ ̄)┘

It's fairly good from what I remember. It was a promotional CD sold only at events (before the anime came out, I might add). The members of the group later went on to become idols and actresses.