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Topic: Changing a band's lineup.

Hi.

I feel pretty stupid about this, but despite having tried a number of times I can't work out how to change the names of members in a particular band.

Perhaps it's really easy, but I'm no stranger to the web and I would say that it should be made more obvious and intuitive, whatever the solution is.

Anyhow, if anybody can guide me in the right direction I will be hugely grateful.

Thanks,
Brent.

Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Brent. wrote:

I feel pretty stupid about this, but despite having tried a number of times I can't work out how to change the names of members in a particular band.

Let's start by defining what you actually want to do: do you want to change the names of the people in the band, or do you want to change the lineup?

These are two very different procedures, since "band" is by definition a group of artists: members of the band are given by adding links - advanced relationships in the MusicBrainz language - between the members and the band.

So, if you want to change the lineup, you'll want to add a relationship between the new member and the band. If there was a person in the relationships that has never been in the band, you can remove the relationship between that person and the band. If the new member replaced someone, you'll probably want to edit the relationship between the former member and the band, and add end date - the day that person quit the band.

For example, The Rolling Stones has several member relationships in its page - you can see that the former members have both start and end dates defined so that we know they've quit the band. "Additional member" in this case means someone that's not part of the official lineup.

If you, on the other hand, want to actually change some band member's name, you'll want to edit that particular artist. If Rolling Stones' vocalist was actually Mitch Jagger, you'd probably want to go to his page and edit the artist to remove that pesky typo from his name ;)

Also, notice that we use the appropriate performance names when linking to band. For example, The Police has Sting as a member instead of Gordon Sumner, because that's the name he used when he was in The Police.

Confusing enough?-)

Check out my things to be fixed list in http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ssundell and holler if you fix something.

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Ok, that's what I suspected but I couldn't work out how to do that either.

First things first though, how do I even set up an artists account, rather than an editors account?  That's probably where I'm going wrong. I hope it'll be a bit easier then!
What I need to do is set up an artist account for myself and add it to an existing band's lineup.
Qs
: Do I need to set up the account using my full name as the log in?
: Where do I look to set this new account up? I can only see one Create Account link on the whole site.
: Is there anything else you think I should know that I clearly don't?!! ;)

It really isn't very clear how this all works. When I get my artist account set up (with some help from you lovely people, please?!?) perhaps I can make some suggestions on how to make it a bit more user friendly.

Thanks in advance,
B.

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Ok, I just worked it out.

So, I need to become an editor, then create a new artist page for myself, then I can add relationships at will.  Hmm, how counterintuitive is that?

Gonna get on and do some work there, then come back here and make some suggestions.

Sorry to have bothered you, and thanks for the help ssundell


*slinks away feeling sorry for self*

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Oh, for the love of...

Artist page set up - check.

Bad page located - check.

Use this artist in a relationship - check.

Now it says that the band is a member of me. Der!
I've followed the procedure for cancelling my open edits, but the database (or whatever) hasn't actioned the cancellation yet.


Please, somebody give me a walk through on how I can get this right next time?

Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Hm, and now you also have two editor accounts - Brett Richardson and brett.ist :)

Anyway, to add yourself as a member of 'ist':

1. Go to http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=287082
2. Click "Use this artist in a relationship"
3. Go to http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=398357
4. Click "Create relationship with this artist"
5. Select "is/was a member of", click "Enter edit >" and it's done

Re: Changing a band's lineup.

And make sure you get the direction right, I'm made that mistake many times.

-Individual-
is/was a member of
-group-

not

-group-
is/was a member of
-Individual-

And deleted edits drop off at the top of the hour, not immediately.

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

musicbrainz wrote:

Artist with ArtistID #398357 not found in the database

Thanks for all the help above. As you can see, I still can't get it to work.
Is it trying to tell me I should quite the band?

Re: Changing a band's lineup.

What is the spelling of the individual and the band?

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

Kerensky97 wrote:

What is the spelling of the individual and the band?

I'm going to guess that it's Brett Richardson

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

D'oh.
Has the artist page I created for Brett Richardson been deleted or lost somehow?
Is it because I is pestering you all too much on the forum?

This isn't doing my self confidence any good at all :P

Re: Changing a band's lineup.

artist pages without any relationships/releases are deleted periodically :)

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Re: Changing a band's lineup.

UPDATE.

Indeed the artist page was deleted, probably to remove the spurious relationship I'd made by mistake previously.

So, artist page created, followed instructions as per above and hey presto, finally, I'm happy! It's right :D

Thanks all for your patience in explaining everything in increasing detail.
Brett (no 'n').